I have a male dog out of TNT Star Wars and Gable Santa Anna.Unfornately I was stupid enough to send that dog and two others with Tim Titsworth to finish them off.That was the biggest mistake of my life.Took them to gulf and they ran all over the track.Spent months of paying $450 amonth for three dogs for 5 months for nothing.Either way.I sent the dogs out to re-train.The male dog didnt do to well.Will never make it at any track.To slow.Does anyone out there thing that maybe he could put out some good pups if I use him to breed?
It cost the same to get a dog to the track out of a proven stud and bitch as it does one that didn't make the track. I wish you luck but no way would I spend the money to raise a litter that most likely will be pets after training. I have always heard the stud fee is the cheapest part of raiseing a litter.
Bart
I see.Well i guess i am just like my dad.We used to have race horses.My dad would by horses that nobody wanted and that could never run.He would retrain the horse.he would also breed theses horse that had good bloodlines but weren't running.Once the horsees were retrained.They ran good enough to beat the ex-owners horses that he paid tons of money for from supposivlyt better bloodlines.The horses he breed that no one wanted put out good colts and filleys.Some of the ex owners wanted to back the horses that my dad had bought from them.But he never sold them back.My dad made thousands running at brush tracks with horses that no one wanted.We were alsmost unbeatable at theses tracks.My point is.The blood lines are there.Don't see why not give it a try.
Bart is 100% correct. If you raise a litter of eight to track age you'll end up with about $16,000 invested, about $2,000 apiece. The difference between a free breeding and a $500 stud is only $62.50 per pup. The difference between a free breeding and a $1000 stud like Kiowa Sweet Trey, Dodgem By Design or Lonesome Cry is only $125 a pup, only 6% more than with the free sire.
Even if you breed a well-bred female with a decent race dog, the pups have no real market value. Pups by $500 unproven sires who were stars at the track are even hard to sell. Pups by top sires command the best prices, well worth the extra $125 a pup. You could make the stud fee back by selling just one pup.
Breeding is mostly in the bitch if that male was not a top performer at a decent track then I would not breed to him. Keep in mind also that you must find a facility who has a high percentage of getting bitches stuck (pregnant). The people I was using could not get the job done with several different bitches so I went with local studs and had no problems getting pups. Also if you are just getting into this business think of it as a hobby other wise more than likely you will be very dissapointed if you are trying to make money no matter what or who you breed too or with. Breeding greys for racing is a big gamble. Most important is that you need to make sure your dogs get homes when retired. So set a little money aside for each pup you have to get them into an adoption group as they can't do it for free.
While you go on to explain all about your father and retraining the horses, you have already tried to retrain this dog and he's still showing he can't run?
I had sent the dog elsewhere to re-train.I din't do it.But if i had the time I Think i could of maked him run.I have worked with dogs before.I worked in a kennel and trained some dogs before the CORPUS CHRISTI TRACK CLOSED.I worked for a kennel that over 600 wins that year.They would bring dogs to the kennel I worked for .Dogs that couldn't make anywhere else.i would work with them.A few months later i had most of them in AA and A races.Then these dogs got sent back to money tracks and stayed there.Some dogs remained in corpus as B and C dogs.These dogs that were brought were graded off dogs..Right now I jusr don't have time to work with my own dogs.But the in the future I will.Thats for yalls advice.But i am going to breed that male with some of my broods.Thanks everyone.
Just becuse you have track experience does'nt mean your ready to finish out or train inexperienced untrained pups. Trust me my friend it's totally different then training race horses... My advice is, if you're serious about training your own pups would be to visit some good dog farms like John Dalton, Kenny Biehle, Marty Tanner and trade out some labor with them so you could observe their methods Please believe me it's not just common sense you really need to know what you're doing. And I'm not just saying this becuse I dont know first hand..... I too was a track trainer for the last 25 years and am now raising and finishing my own pups and had to do what I'm advising you to do. Geographically speaking this might be tough for you I dont know if you live close to any of these farms but you get the jist of what I'm trying say Best of Luck Cindy
Race Horses are easy to re-school , specialy if well breed . dogs are more tricky and depend of the rearing . The question if a dog who did not perform well can have good pups for me its yes ! .
Its harder to re-school a bad dog then training a good dog ! you cant be conventionel to re-school you need to adapt the training to the dog !
I have a male dog out of TNT Star Wars and Gable Santa Anna.Unfornately I was stupid enough to send that dog and two others with Tim Titsworth to finish them off.That was the biggest mistake of my life.Took them to gulf and they ran all over the track.Spent months of paying $450 amonth for three dogs for 5 months for nothing.Either way.I sent the dogs out to re-train.The male dog didnt do to well.Will never make it at any track.To slow.Does anyone out there thing that maybe he could put out some good pups if I use him to breed? 
I see.Well i guess i am just like my dad.We used to have race horses.My dad would by horses that nobody wanted and that could never run.He would retrain the horse.he would also breed theses horse that had good bloodlines but weren't running.Once the horsees were retrained.They ran good enough to beat the ex-owners horses that he paid tons of money for from supposivlyt better bloodlines.The horses he breed that no one wanted put out good colts and filleys.Some of the ex owners wanted to back the horses that my dad had bought from them.But he never sold them back.My dad made thousands running at brush tracks with horses that no one wanted.We were alsmost unbeatable at theses tracks.My point is.The blood lines are there.Don't see why not give it a try.